STATE

Does treating the state as an artificial machine give its members grounds to redesign it?

Span 1651–1917
Works 6
Languages English, German, Russian
Status Draft question and agent-proposed arguments. Source checks are partial; historian review is pending.

Yes2

  • The great point is, therefore, to reconcile these two considerations, to prevent physical society from ceasing for a moment in time, while the moral society is being formed in the idea; in other words, to prevent its existence from being placed in jeopardy for the sake of the moral dignity of man. When the mechanic has to mend a watch he lets the wheels run out; but the living watchworks of the state have to be repaired while they act, and a wheel has to be exchanged for another during its revolutions. Accordingly props must be sought for to support society and keep it going while it is made independent of the natural condition from which it is sought to emancipate it.

    SummaryThe state may be rebuilt on reason, but unlike a clock it cannot be stopped for repair; the living clockwork of the state must be repaired while it runs.

    Letter III

  • Чрезвычайно характерно, что именно эта существенная поправка была искажена оппортунистами, и смысл её, наверное, неизвестен девяти десятым, если не девяносто девяти сотым читателей «Коммунистического Манифеста». Подробно об этом искажении мы скажем ниже, в главе, специально посвящённой искажениям. Теперь достаточно будет отметить, что ходячее, вульгарное «понимание» приведённого нами знаменитого изречения Маркса состоит в том, будто Маркс подчёркивает здесь идею медленного развития в противоположность захвату власти и тому подобное. На самом деле как раз наоборот . Мысль Маркса состоит в том, что рабочий класс должен разбить, сломать «готовую государственную машину», а не ограничиваться простым захватом её.

    It is extremely characteristic that it is precisely this essential correction that the opportunists have distorted, and its meaning is probably unknown to nine-tenths, if not ninety-nine hundredths, of the readers of the Communist Manifesto. We shall deal with this distortion in detail below, in a chapter devoted specially to distortions. Here it is enough to note that the current, vulgar 'understanding' of Marx's famous statement quoted above is that Marx here stresses the idea of slow development as opposed to the seizure of power, and so on. In fact the exact opposite is the case. Marx's idea is that the working class must break up, smash the 'ready-made state machinery', and not confine itself merely to seizing it.

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    SummaryLenin interprets Marx as requiring the working class to smash ready-made state machinery rather than merely take possession of it.

No4

  • 1651Hobbes, Leviathan
    In the second place, I observe the Diseases of a Common-wealth, that proceed from the poyson of seditious doctrines; whereof one is, "That every private man is Judge of Good and Evill actions." This is true in the condition of meer Nature, where there are no Civill Lawes; and also under Civill Government, in such cases as are not determined by the Law. But otherwise, it is manifest, that the measure of Good and Evill actions, is the Civill Law; and the Judge the Legislator, who is alwayes Representative of the Common-wealth. From this false doctrine, men are disposed to debate with themselves, and dispute the commands of the Common-wealth; and afterwards to obey, or disobey them, as in their private judgements they shall think fit. Whereby the Common-wealth is distracted and Weakened. … Otherwise in such diversity, as there is of private Consciences, which are but private opinions, the Common-wealth must needs be distracted, and no man dare to obey the Soveraign Power, farther than it shall seem good in his own eyes.

    SummaryHobbes criticizes private conscience as a competing judge of good and evil where civil law has determined the matter, arguing that competing private judgments would divide the commonwealth.

    Introduction; Chapter XXIX, Of those things that Weaken, or tend to the Dissolution of a Common-wealth

  • The state is not a machine or a factory but an organic union of all physical and spiritual needs grown through history, so it cannot be redesigned by contract.

  • 1829Carlyle, Signs of the Times
    It is no longer the moral, religious, spiritual condition of the people that is our concern, but their physical, practical, economical condition, as regulated by public laws. Thus is the Body-politic more than ever worshipped and tended; but the Soul-politic less than ever. Love of country, in any high or generous sense, in any other than an almost animal sense, or mere habit, has little importance attached to it in such reforms, or in the opposition shown them. Men are to be guided only by their self-interests. Good government is a good balancing of these; and, except a keen eye and appetite for self- interest, requires no virtue in any quarter. To both parties it is emphatically a machine: to the discontented, a ‘taxing-machine; to the contented, a ‘machine for securing property. Its duties and its faults are not those of a father, but of an active parish- constable. Thus it is by the mere condition of the machine, by preserving it untouched, or else by reconstructing it, and oiling it anew, that man’s salvation as a social being is to be insured and indefinitely promoted.

    SummaryThe age trusts machinery in politics as in industry, believing good government is a matter of mechanical arrangements; Carlyle holds that social health depends on inward, dynamic forces that no constitution-making can supply.

  • 1860Spencer, The Social Organism
    The whole of our industrial organization, from its main outlines down to its minutest details, has become what it is, not simply without legislative guidance, but, to a considerable extent, in spite of legislative hindrances. It has arisen under the pressure of human wants and activities. While each citizen has been pursuing his individual welfare, and none taking thought about division of labor, or, indeed, conscious of the need for it, division of labor has yet been ever becoming more complete. It has been doing this slowly and silently ; scarcely any having observed it until quite modern times. By steps so small, that year after year the industrial arrangements have seemed to men just what they were before — by changes as insensible as those through which a seed passes into a tree— society has become the complex body of mutually-dependent workers which we now see.

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    SummarySociety is a growth and not a manufacture; constitutions are not made but grow, so treating the state as a contrivance to be redesigned mistakes its nature.

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